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		<title>By: Al Gould</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-23861</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont really understand everyone being so negative. Pharmacuetical sales rep is not the only job to go into. My sister worked as a wound care specialist/sales rep for smith and nephew and she gets paid really well. IU agree nurses really rubbish other nurses. I am a nurse I hear it but if you want out there are other jobs out there you just have to look and want them bad enough. As for nursing we are all our own worst enemies. If we just stopped bagging each other for five minutes it would make for a better work environment but instead to make themselves feel more important they put down others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont really understand everyone being so negative. Pharmacuetical sales rep is not the only job to go into. My sister worked as a wound care specialist/sales rep for smith and nephew and she gets paid really well. IU agree nurses really rubbish other nurses. I am a nurse I hear it but if you want out there are other jobs out there you just have to look and want them bad enough. As for nursing we are all our own worst enemies. If we just stopped bagging each other for five minutes it would make for a better work environment but instead to make themselves feel more important they put down others.</p>
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		<title>By: tmt</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-20665</link>
		<dc:creator>tmt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify for ml, I&#039;m taking issue with Ann Lowe from Malvern East over her claim that, &quot;their performance in the classroom is appalling&quot;.

Teachers and nurses are both in professions where the bulk of the members are government employed and are both underpaid for the work they do. I can only imagine that, by attacking teachers, Ann Lowe thinks it&#039;s going to strengthen the argument for nurses to be better paid. She&#039;s clearly mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify for ml, I&#8217;m taking issue with Ann Lowe from Malvern East over her claim that, &#8220;their performance in the classroom is appalling&#8221;.</p>
<p>Teachers and nurses are both in professions where the bulk of the members are government employed and are both underpaid for the work they do. I can only imagine that, by attacking teachers, Ann Lowe thinks it&#8217;s going to strengthen the argument for nurses to be better paid. She&#8217;s clearly mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: ml</title>
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		<dc:creator>ml</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With your generalisation that teacher&#039;s &quot;performance in the classroom is appalling&quot; you have made me ask the question, why subscribe to this blog?

Ignoring this ridiculous statement, I would like to address what you might be trying to say.

Teachers and nurses are both important to society.  Why do teachers get more holidays to supplement the short teaching year?  Probably because teaching has become the profession that no-one wants to join.  As a teacher, it is very frustrating teaching  students who have no ambition.  It is not always the teacher&#039;s fault that students perform poorly; parents need to take a complementary role to assist the teacher by ensuring children do homework and respect the authority of the teacher.  The result of not doing this must be very obvious - the teacher&#039;s task is impossible.  The pay is poor by the way.

Regarding nurses, whose job is equally important in many ways - talk to your government whose love of money is the root of the problem.  Start a union with some power.

It is all about politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With your generalisation that teacher&#8217;s &#8220;performance in the classroom is appalling&#8221; you have made me ask the question, why subscribe to this blog?</p>
<p>Ignoring this ridiculous statement, I would like to address what you might be trying to say.</p>
<p>Teachers and nurses are both important to society.  Why do teachers get more holidays to supplement the short teaching year?  Probably because teaching has become the profession that no-one wants to join.  As a teacher, it is very frustrating teaching  students who have no ambition.  It is not always the teacher&#8217;s fault that students perform poorly; parents need to take a complementary role to assist the teacher by ensuring children do homework and respect the authority of the teacher.  The result of not doing this must be very obvious &#8211; the teacher&#8217;s task is impossible.  The pay is poor by the way.</p>
<p>Regarding nurses, whose job is equally important in many ways &#8211; talk to your government whose love of money is the root of the problem.  Start a union with some power.</p>
<p>It is all about politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Newcastle</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-20273</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Newcastle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you all seem unhappy in some respect, thats evident by 1. participating in this discussion and 2. from the tone of conversations.

Thats ok, but I really don&#039;t think we should take it out on each other. Im a registered nurse, highly specialised with post grad diploma and masters, however, have to state emphatically, my experience in Victoria&#039;s, Queenslands, Tasmania&#039;s and NSW&#039;s Mental Health System is not the system, but, the nurses themselves.

Its true, horizontal violence is insatiable, its a plague, a virus spreading itself, &#039;only nurses eat their young&#039; is what someone told me in my first month out of uni some four almost five years ago.

I spent seven years in the Australian Army before becomming a nurse. Never in my life have I been ridiculed, &#039;brow beaten&#039;, attacked, manipulated, backstabbed, lied to, it goes on and on, as much as I have since being a nurse, for a man who humped it out in an infantry battalion for most of his military career, that speaks for something.

As for pay. It is simply APPALLING. I earnt only $200 less per week as a soldier with rank of private in 1997 than I do in all my glory as a nurse. The advanced post grad dip and masters in addition to the 3 year bachelors degree I&#039;ve completed, despite working in mental health for the past comming on my fifth year, my &#039;clinical nurse specialist&#039; (CNS)application here in NSW was rejected, the nurses on the panel telling me the work I was doing was more like a &#039;psychologists role&#039;. The CNS pay would have put me at par with my community mental health counterparts in VIC in terms of pay, which would have been RN Grade 3A year 1. Unfortunately, after tax and no other deductions each week, instead I clear $720 for the week only. Some may say hey thats not bad. I say, try feeding a  family, paying day care, a mortgage, car repayment, phone, electricity, etc etc, its just not possible. Not to mention, one of my brother in laws earns $20 p/w more a scaffolder and the other $5 p/w more as a 3rd year electricians apprentice.

Add to the indignation of having no additional holidays, being run off your feet all day, having mental health patients abuse you and the only outcome can be high attrition rates in the nursing work fore. But when you consider that there are approximately 25&#039;000 registered nurses in VIC alone, it is simply cheaper to replace the nursing workforce every five years than to give those 25000 nurses a pay rise or proper working conditions.

When I left uni at the end of 2003, an ABS figure quoted to our graduating year was that 85% of the nursing workforce will leave the field within the first five years of graduating, so far, from what I have seen with my graduating colleagues, this has not been the case. I think its because there is simply no other field except maybe &#039;pharmacuetical sales rep&#039; that a nursing degree will help you get into. The bottom line is, I F*#Cking hate nursing, if I didn&#039;t have a family to support, I&#039;d leave it this instant. But when all else fails, do permanent nights. 

Really, I should have done buisness!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you all seem unhappy in some respect, thats evident by 1. participating in this discussion and 2. from the tone of conversations.</p>
<p>Thats ok, but I really don&#8217;t think we should take it out on each other. Im a registered nurse, highly specialised with post grad diploma and masters, however, have to state emphatically, my experience in Victoria&#8217;s, Queenslands, Tasmania&#8217;s and NSW&#8217;s Mental Health System is not the system, but, the nurses themselves.</p>
<p>Its true, horizontal violence is insatiable, its a plague, a virus spreading itself, &#8216;only nurses eat their young&#8217; is what someone told me in my first month out of uni some four almost five years ago.</p>
<p>I spent seven years in the Australian Army before becomming a nurse. Never in my life have I been ridiculed, &#8216;brow beaten&#8217;, attacked, manipulated, backstabbed, lied to, it goes on and on, as much as I have since being a nurse, for a man who humped it out in an infantry battalion for most of his military career, that speaks for something.</p>
<p>As for pay. It is simply APPALLING. I earnt only $200 less per week as a soldier with rank of private in 1997 than I do in all my glory as a nurse. The advanced post grad dip and masters in addition to the 3 year bachelors degree I&#8217;ve completed, despite working in mental health for the past comming on my fifth year, my &#8216;clinical nurse specialist&#8217; (CNS)application here in NSW was rejected, the nurses on the panel telling me the work I was doing was more like a &#8216;psychologists role&#8217;. The CNS pay would have put me at par with my community mental health counterparts in VIC in terms of pay, which would have been RN Grade 3A year 1. Unfortunately, after tax and no other deductions each week, instead I clear $720 for the week only. Some may say hey thats not bad. I say, try feeding a  family, paying day care, a mortgage, car repayment, phone, electricity, etc etc, its just not possible. Not to mention, one of my brother in laws earns $20 p/w more a scaffolder and the other $5 p/w more as a 3rd year electricians apprentice.</p>
<p>Add to the indignation of having no additional holidays, being run off your feet all day, having mental health patients abuse you and the only outcome can be high attrition rates in the nursing work fore. But when you consider that there are approximately 25&#8242;000 registered nurses in VIC alone, it is simply cheaper to replace the nursing workforce every five years than to give those 25000 nurses a pay rise or proper working conditions.</p>
<p>When I left uni at the end of 2003, an ABS figure quoted to our graduating year was that 85% of the nursing workforce will leave the field within the first five years of graduating, so far, from what I have seen with my graduating colleagues, this has not been the case. I think its because there is simply no other field except maybe &#8216;pharmacuetical sales rep&#8217; that a nursing degree will help you get into. The bottom line is, I F*#Cking hate nursing, if I didn&#8217;t have a family to support, I&#8217;d leave it this instant. But when all else fails, do permanent nights. </p>
<p>Really, I should have done buisness!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Linda is not alone.  People are beating the doors down to become nurses,right?

http://www.politicaljob.com/main.php3?action=displayarticle&amp;artid=2367

http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t176329/s&amp;job.html

http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t184228/s&amp;job.html

http://www.aboutmytalk.com/t54787/s&amp;job.html

http://www.aboutmyjob.com/main.php3/main.php3/a558.html

http://www.aboutmyjob.com/main.php3?action=displayarticle&amp;artid=1989</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Linda is not alone.  People are beating the doors down to become nurses,right?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-8800</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said anything about &quot;failed&quot;?  Is this something you assumed?   You obviously are one of those &quot;crazies&quot;  incapable of using reason and/or logic.   Don&#039;t take your hostility,hatred and frustration on someone who simply speaks the truth.  Everyone knows nursing sucks and is full of hostile old maids with a huge problem with &quot;horizontal violence&quot; Use some of your sign on bonus money and go get some much needed therapy, Jan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said anything about &#8220;failed&#8221;?  Is this something you assumed?   You obviously are one of those &#8220;crazies&#8221;  incapable of using reason and/or logic.   Don&#8217;t take your hostility,hatred and frustration on someone who simply speaks the truth.  Everyone knows nursing sucks and is full of hostile old maids with a huge problem with &#8220;horizontal violence&#8221; Use some of your sign on bonus money and go get some much needed therapy, Jan.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-8599</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who could be more bitter than a failed nurse.  Have a cry and a bitch, Linda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who could be more bitter than a failed nurse.  Have a cry and a bitch, Linda.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://themodernthinker.allmedia.com.au/2007/05/bitter-nah/comment-page-1/#comment-8086</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 03:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nursing sucks! At least teachers have the brains and balls to organize a union so they can have some hope of fair treatment.  All nurses do is bitch and backstab... that is why I left that profession full of crazies...Nurses wouldn&#039;t know how to stick together if their life depended upon it. They do just what Ann is doing... cry and bitch about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nursing sucks! At least teachers have the brains and balls to organize a union so they can have some hope of fair treatment.  All nurses do is bitch and backstab&#8230; that is why I left that profession full of crazies&#8230;Nurses wouldn&#8217;t know how to stick together if their life depended upon it. They do just what Ann is doing&#8230; cry and bitch about it.</p>
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